「悪夢はようやく終わった！」大谷翔平の手術回避と来季登板にドジャースファン安堵も、起用法めぐり議論白熱【海外の反応】

仙豆を食わせてやれ！

Get him some senzu beans!

完治に数か月かかる怪我もある。それをやるとシーズン終了を意味したわけだし、その選択肢を避けたのは理解できる判断だな。

There are injuries where you need a couple of months to recover. That would have meant ending his season, which is why I think it was understandable to not go with that option.

少なくともこの地域の悪夢だな。でも間違いなく朗報だ。

At least regional nightmare, but yes, this is good news

正直レギュラーシーズンの一部も含めてそうしてほしい。

And parts of the regular season honestly.

投手は何人いても困らない。でも来季の新労使協定がどうなるか様子見なんじゃないか。

You can never have too much pitching. But I think they’re waiting to see what next years CBA ends up being.

ドジャースが待つわけないだろ。ロックアウトが正式に始まる前にスクーバル獲得に動くはずだ。

No way do the dodgers wait. They will try to sign Skubal before the lockout officially begins.

自分もそう願うが、新協定の内容が分かるまでコミットを躊躇してるって報道を読んだぞ。

I’d like to see that too, but the reporting I read said they are hesitant to commit until they know what the CBA will look like.

もし年俸上限が導入されるなら猶予期間があるはずだ。マーク・ウォルターズ関連の噂に火種がない限り、ドジャースが慎重策を取るとは思えない。

There will have to be a ramp down period in the new CBA if a cap is placed. I don’t think the dodgers will play it safe unless there is fire with all the smoke with Mark Walters.

スクーバルも同じようにすべきだな。

Skubal shoud do the same

そう思う。スクーバルは最低でも4億ドルはかかるぞ。グラスノーあたりをトレードに出さない限り無理だ。

I think so. He's going to cost $400M minimum. Unless they trade one of their ace away like Glassnow or something.

やっちまえ。

Do it

本音を言えば、スクーバルはその金額に見合うほど良くはない。

Skubal isn't that good for the price let's be real.

そうかもしれないが、大谷本人は打つより投げる方が好きだと何度も言ってるぞ。球団がどちらか選べと迫ったら、十中八九投手を選ぶだろうね。

Maybe but Ohtani said it many times, he rather pitch than hit. If the team going to ask him to pick a side, he'll likely pick pitching.

打者より投手を選ばせるようなチームがあったら、大谷は別のチームを選んで出て行くだろうさ。

And any team that asks him to pick batting over pitching will see him pick another team.

去年ならその意見は大嫌いだったけど、JDPがいるし主力の高齢化もあるからDH枠を空けるのも悪くないと思えてきた。とはいえそれはまだ先の話だな。来年は間違いなく何らかの形で両方やるはずだ。

Last year I would’ve hated that idea, but with JDP (and also our guys getting older), freeing up the DH spot doesn’t sound so bad.
But that’s probably still a little ways down the road anyway. Next year I have no doubt he’ll do both (at least to some capacity)

自分はむしろ早いうちに投手専念してほしい。今の投球は狂気的なほど効果的だし。打撃の方が年齢による衰えが緩やかだと思うから、守備に就けない強打者がDHにいるなら、今のうちにサイ・ヤング賞を狙いに行ったっていいだろ。

I really want Shohei to only pitch sooner than later, because his pitching is insanely effective now. I think his bat ages better than his pitching, so might as well go for the Cy Young when we have someone who can DH, or to put it more accurately, a big bat that literally cannot field.

大半の場合、打撃より投球の方が年齢に耐えられる。36歳を過ぎるとトップ打者はほぼ見かけなくなるが、トップ投手はまだ大勢いるぞ。

Most of the time, pitching ages better than hitting.
After 36 or so, you don't find any top hitters any more. But there's lots of top pitchers still.

バリー・ボンズっていう巨大な例外を除いてはな。なぜか30代後半でさらに良くなって、39歳でキャリア最高の打撃シーズンを迎えたんだから（ウインク）。

With the one massive exception in barry bonds, who somehow improved (wink wink) in his late 30s and had his best hitting season at 39

へえ興味深いな。投球は自分がアクションを起こす側だが、打撃は反応する側だから筋が通ってる。年齢とともに反応速度が落ちるしね。契約が進むにつれて球団がどう扱うか見ものだ。

huh interesting. Makes sense where pitching you are the one starting the action where as in hitting you are reacting (and reaction time slows down with age). gonna be interesting how the team handles his contract progression.

そうだな、カーショウは壊れたが同世代のシャーザーはまだ投げてる（引退するかもしれないが）。単に生き残ってるだけでなく、チャップマンは昨年長い無失点記録を作ったし40歳超えてるはずだ。バーランダーも2022年に39歳でサイ・ヤング賞を獲った。これが今季80試合以上出た36歳以上の現役選手リストだが、全盛期のエリート水準を保ってるやつはほぼいない。

Yeah, Kershaw broke down. Scherzer was in the same class as him and he's still pitching -- although may be he'll retire now.
But it's not just that they're old. Some are very effective. Aroldis Chapman had a very long scoreless streak last year and I think he's over 40.
Justin Verlander won the Cy Young at 39 in 2022.
here's the list of active guys at 36 year or older now playing 80+ games this past year. Some of them may be good, but almost all of them aren't at their elite levels as they were in their prime:
Player Age 2026 team Games
Paul Goldschmidt 39 Yankees 105
Freddie Freeman 37 Dodgers 153
George Springer 37 Blue Jays 126
Salvador Perez 36 Royals 152
Max Muncy 36 Dodgers 149
Marcus Semien 36 Mets 139
Mike Yastrzemski 36 Braves 139
Jose Altuve 36 Astros 135
Christian Vázquez 36 Astros 86

今年一番驚いたのはクリス・セールだな。37歳くらいであれだけナ・リーグのトップ5投手やってるなんて狂ってる。チャップマンも38歳で剛速球投げてるし、とんでもねえよ。

I was most impressed by Chris Sale this year. This man is like 37 yrs old and like a top 5 pitcher in the NL? that is friggin crazy. Chapman is 38 AND throwing gas still. pretty incredible.

打撃ばかり見てきて投球はほとんど見てないから、そう言うのも無理はないな。3年間でうちのために投げたのは合計110イニングくらいじゃないか。

Not hard to say since all we’ve known is his hitting and very very little of his pitching.
I think he’s thrown maybe 110 innings for us total in 3 years.

それでもブレイク・スネルがドジャースで投げた投球回より多いんだから、驚きでもあり悲しくもあるよ。

Still more IP than Blake Snell has thrown as a Dodger, which is both incredible and depressing

スネルはここに2年、大谷は3年だろ。

Snell’s been here for 2
Ohtani for 3

その通り、2人とも2024年はドジャースで投げてない。

Correct, neither pitched for the Dodgers in 2024.

元のコメントは大谷の打撃の方が投球より重要だって話だったろ。大谷のここ3年間の比較の話なのに、スネルがどう絡んでくるのか分からん。

Well the original comment was Ohtani’s hitting has been more important than his pitching.
So that would be a comparison of Ohtani’s 3 yrs here.
I don’t know how Snell fits into the original comment.

話が脱線したのは認める。イニングの話が出たから、2024年に投げ始めたスネルと比較しただけ。本業が投手のやつより、副業で投げてる歴史的スラッガーの方がイニング食ってるのが面白かったからさ。大谷の投球能力について『ほとんど知らない』には同意できないが、打者としての価値が高いのは同意するよ。

It was a bit of a non-sequitur. You mentioned IP and I was just comparing Shohei's IP as a Dodger to Snell's IP as a Dodger because they both started pitching for us in 2024 and it's funny to me that our generational slugger who pitches as a side hustle has more IP than a guy who's entire job is to pitch.
And while I disagree that we know "very very little" about Shohei's ability to pitch (check out his stats) I do agree that he's more valuable as a hitter.

能力を知らないって話じゃなく価値の話だろ。ドジャースファンにとって、スタッツがどうであれその価値の差は歴然だよ。

Ok
“ And while I disagree that we know "very very little" about Shohei's ability to pitch (check out his stats) I do agree that he's more valuable as a hitter.”
Yeah the comment wasn’t about knowing his ability.
The comment was just about value since the original comment said: OP thinks his hitting is more valuable than his hitting.
And for a Dodger fan, the value hasn’t been close inspite of what his stats say.

投手としての真の価値はまだ誰も分かってないだろ。もし投手に専念してサイ・ヤング賞を獲ったら（ついでにワールドシリーズMVPも）、どっちが価値あるかの評価も変わるんじゃないか？

We actually don’t really know his value as a pitcher. If he pitches only and wins a CY (heck throw in WS MVP, too), would that change our assessment of which is more valuable?

スネルは毎年の10月には健康だった。この組織にとって最優先なのはそこだ。

Snell has been healthy for every October. That’s the priority for this organization

7月から1か月間休ませてさえいれば、今頃ドジャースがワールドシリーズに出ていたかもしれないのに。

if they could have just rested him for a month starting in July, we might see the Dodgers in the World Series right now. the

まさにそれ。どこかで深刻な意思疎通のズレがあったようにしか見えない。

Exactly this. Really looks like some serious disconnect somewhere.