「最悪の年でも大半には夢の数字だ」大谷翔平のMVP2位＆「不本意」発言にファン衝撃！デコピンとの登場も話題に【海外の反応】

運が良くても9割の選手が生涯に一度作れるかどうか夢見るレベルの成績だよ。指標のWARで同等だと評価されようが、投打両方で発揮する凄まじさはいつだって他人のシーズンより遥かに強烈だ。

His worst season is a season 90% of players can only dream of having once if they're lucky. And even then his prowess of pitch and hitting is always going to be more impressive than those other seasons, even if metrics like WAR say they were equal in value.

でもまあ大谷の基準からすれば実際かなり散々なシーズンだったのは事実。ほぼ全部が裏目に出た年だったし。ラスト1か月はIL入りも含めて体がボロボロで、後半戦なんてほぼマイナス価値の選手だったのに、それでも楽勝でMVP2位に滑り込むんだから頭おかしいだろ。普通ならあり得ない高い基準を自分に課して、それでもなお結果を出せるのが翔平なんだよな。体が限界を迎えてしまったのが本当に悔しい。PCAと最後まで撃ち合えてたら今年は歴史に残るMVPレースになってたはずなのに。UCLも切れてない、まだ全盛期真っ只中の大谷シーズンを半分近く丸ごと失ったのが本当に痛い。マジで切ない。投打同時に全開で仕上げて史上最高のシーズンを作り上げる瞬間はもう見られないんじゃないかって気がしてきて、それが悲しいよ。今年の前半戦はまさにそのレベルを達成しそうな勢いだったのに、膝が俺たちから、そして彼自身からそのシーズンを奪っていった。

And he's right, it was a pretty awful season for his standards, pretty much everything went wrong. His body was completely shot for the last month + his IL stint, and he was almost a negative value player for the entire second half and it still gets him an easy MVP-2. It's absolutely nuts that any player can justifiably hold himself to such high standards, but Shohei can. It's unfortunate his body gave up on him, would have been an MVP race for the ages this year had he been given the chance to fight back with PCA. It just sucks that he lost pretty much half of a still prime non-torn UCL Ohtani season, devastating. It's looking like we'll never get a season where he can be primed out in pitching and hitting at the same time and truly put together the best season ever, which makes me sad. His first half this year was looking really promising to accomplish THAT season, but his knee stole that season from us and for him.

30本塁打を打ちつつ防御率1点台で投げるMLB選手なんて他に1人でもいるか？絶不調の年ですら、この男は唯一無二なんだよ。

Is there even a single other MLB player capable of hitting 30 homers on one end and pitching <2 ERA on the other? Even in a down season, the man is 1 of 1.

いないね。伝説はもう白黒映像の中の話じゃない。俺たちはリアルタイムで目撃してるんだ。

No, legends are no longer in black and white. We are witnessing this in real time.

いや、投球レベルを維持できたかどうかは身体が保たなかったから分からんよ。2022年にも規定投球回で防御率2点台前半を記録してるんだから、健康なら2.00未満に迫る可能性は十分あったさ。

Well, we don't really know if he could have sustained the pitching level or not, his body didn't let him try. In 2022 he managed a qualified season of a low 2 ERA. He absolutely could have had a possibility to have an ERA flirting with sub 2.00 if his body let him and nobody would be surprised about it because he's demonstrated that potential before.

大谷にとっては物足りない成績でも、他の選手にとっては非現実的な数字だな。

Subpar stats for Ohtani. Unrealistic for everyone else .

うちの最強の抑え投手にもなれそうだな！

He’d be our best Closer too!

うわ、その視点はなかったわ。リリーフとして85回で防御率1.79なら全盛期のケンリー並みの凄さじゃん。

Damn haven’t thought about it that way. 1.79 ERA in 85 IP as a reliever would be prime Kenley caliber.

満票でMVP獲ってたろ。

Would be a unanimous MVP

カブスファンに言わせれば、防御率1.79でたった85.2回なんて価値がないらしいぞ。

According to Cubs fans, 1.79 ERA and only 85.2 innings is worthless.

指名打者のペナルティのせいで打撃のWARも低く出ちゃうよね。まあPCAが明確なMVPだったのは間違いないが。

I think WAR undervalues his hitting due to the DH penalty, but yeah there’s no arguing PCA was the clear MVP

そうそう、大谷ってミシュラン三つ星シェフみたいなもんだよ。一つ星に落とされたら大失敗扱いされるけど、普通の人なら一つ星を獲る日を夢見てるんだからさ。
本物のMVPってのは「他の選手が毎年やってることを一年だけ特別にやりました」ってのとは違う、野球の歴史そのものを塗り替えるレベルの存在のことを言うんだよ。

Yeah Ohtani is like that 3 star Michelin Chef.
Getting a 1 star means he failed miserably, for other people, they literally dream about that day of getting 1 star.
A real MVP vs "look I did something special for 1 season that other players can do every year and never make an actual historical change to the game"

怪我したままプレイしようとしてたのか？そういうのはもうやめさせないとダメだろ。

Was he trying to play while hurt? That’s gotta stop.

無理して強行出場しようとして、結局チームにとっちゃ悲惨な結果になったからな。

He tried to Myles Garrett-it and ended disastrously for us.

公平に言えば、大谷が100%健康だったとしても、あのNLCSは10回中9回負けてただろ。

To be fair if Shohei was 100% healthy we still probably lose that nlcs 9/10 times

アンドリュー・フリードマンかデイブ・ロバーツ監督のどちらかが、大谷に怪我を押してプレイするなと伝えるべきだ。その闘志は本当に尊敬するが、上手くいってないし長期的には代償が大きすぎる。

Either Andrew Friedman or Dave Roberts need to start telling Shohei not to play hurt.
I truly admire that mentality but it’s not working and it will only cost him more in the long run

その通りだな。レブロンが40歳を超えても現役でいられるのは負荷管理のおかげだし、チームに貢献し続けられた。レギュラーシーズンは無理せずセーブして戦うことも大切なんだよ。防御率は良くても規定投球回に届かずサイ・ヤング候補にすら挙がらないかもしれない今年のローテ起用も、まさにそれを証明してるよな。

You’re right. LeBron made it to 40+ still playing because of load management and he delivered spectacular games and consistent output for the teams he was on. It does take a “next guy up” mentality and understanding it’s okay to play slow during the regular season. The pitching rotation was testament of that despite his ERA and not enough IP potentially not qualifying for Cy.

気持ちは分かるけど、偉大さの次元がまったく違うからその2人を比べるのはやめろよ。

I get your sentiment but never compare the two as they are completely different leagues of greatness

俺は負荷管理が茶番じゃない理由を説明してるんだよ。偉大さを比較してるわけじゃない。文脈を理解してないのに人の発言を決めつけるな。

I’m explaining why load management is not a farce. I’m not comparing greatness. But it would be a joke to say “Lebron makes it to 40+ without taking care of himself in the off season and during the season”
We have Shohei for the next 6 years and he will be 38. He may want to play until he is 40. He is the face of our franchise.
So never put words in someone’s mouth if you don’t understand the context brother.

意見には同意するが、決めつけてなんかないぞ。お前が文字通り負荷管理を比較に出したんだろ。書いてあった内容に反応しただけだ。

I agree however I didn’t “put words in your mouth” brother. You literally were comparing load management. So although I concede to your point, I was literally going off what you put down in writing

いや同じ次元だろ。2人ともそれぞれのスポーツで史上最高の議論に名が挙がる存在だぞ。

Same league, both are in the conversation for the best player of all time in their respective sport.

マイケル・ジョーダンやコービー・ブライアントの名前を知らんのか？

Do you know who Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are?

知ってるわ。お前こそその2人以外にNBAのこと何か知ってんの？

Yes. Do you know anything else about the NBA besides those two names?

は？俺はレブロン推しで大谷には思うところもあるが、お前の意見は奇妙すぎるだろ。両方トップクラスだし、デビュー7年で引退しても殿堂入りレベルの選手たちだぞ。

?
I'm a LeBron stan and salty about Shoehei (Jays fan) but your take is weird as hell.
They're both up there. If you're one of those "LeBron isn't even as good as Kobe, let alone Jordan" people then idk what to say.
If you're one of those "Shohei doesn't have the track record yet" people then I'd say that you are making sports less enjoyable for yourself by failing to recognize greatness in front of you.
Either of them would have been HoFers and in the GOAT convo if they retired just after their 7th seasons.

2人ともそれぞれの競技で文字通り「史上最高争い」のトップ2にいる存在だ。

Both are literally in the 2-person GOAT debate of their respective sports

まあそういうこともあるさ。地味な怪我のせいで調子を完全に狂わされるシーズンなんて、ほぼ全選手が経験するものだしな。

It happens, nearly every player goes through a season where nagging injuries throw you all out of whack.

無事に試合が開催されるなら、2027年は化け物みたいな成績を残すぞ。

Monster 2027 incoming if we have games

オフシーズンに体を絞って、シーズン中にバルクアップするんだよ。

He slims down during the off season and bulks up during the season.

バルクアップは打撃のパワーのためなんだろうな。でも膝のことを考えると、細いままの方がいいんじゃないかと思っちゃうわ。

I am guessing the bulking up is for power for his hitting. But with his knees, I do wonder if it would be better if he stays leaner.

スポンサー料をがっぽり稼いできてくれ！💰😂

go get that sponsorship money 💰😂

でも超イケメンだぞ😆

But super handsome😆

ハハ、確かに！いつでもカッコいい！若返って見える気すらするわ😂

haha, yes!! always!! he actually looks younger too 😂

そうだよ。いわゆる「逆シャック」現象だな。

yes. also known as the reverse Shaq.

大谷は毎オフシーズンに体重を落として、シーズンが始まるとまた体を大きくするんだ。

Shohei pretty much loses weight every off season and bulks up again for the season.

かなり痩せたね。

Significant weight loss